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17 August 2010 @ 01:30 pm
 
So I was talking to a doctor the other day who said that a large percentage of European women drink a glass of wine with dinner, nearly daily, whether pregnant or not. There are no signs of this causing any damage to the baby. So why do American doctors and women vehemently look down on this practice..?

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So do you look down on women who have a glass or two of wine while pregnant? We're not talking a woman who gets intoxicated, but just consumes alcohol with dinner or lunch? Would you be embarassed to be seen with an obviously pregnant woman sipping from a glass of wine?
 
 
 
empressmiakaempressmiaka on August 17th, 2010 05:35 pm (UTC)
I believe that it's because studies haven't revealed exactly how much alcohol a woman can drink before her child has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Some women barely drink (or say they barely drink) and end up with kids that have FAS and some drink a ton and end up with kids that are fine. There's no way to run a study on this (you can't experiment on preggos), so you have to do surveys. People may not be 100% honest on the surveys or there may be other contributing factors that complicate whether or not a child has FAS. So the safest way to know that you won't end up with a child with FAS is to abstain from alcohol at all. It's just like that whole, "The safest way to not get pregnant is to not have sex."

[shrugs]

Is this a debate on whether or not we agree with it or an actual fact-finding question?
"B"thatfleetingirl on August 17th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
This is weird. I didn't even know I could post in this community.

I guess it is fitting?
empressmiakaempressmiaka on August 17th, 2010 05:39 pm (UTC)
lol wat?
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Ruchelruchel on August 17th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
It sounds very old fashioned and more like a guy stuff when done. I'm not familiar with many people doing it. I certainly wouldn't do it.

Empress Nekoneko_loliighoul on August 18th, 2010 12:32 pm (UTC)
more like what??
Ruchelruchel on August 18th, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
More like a guy stuff
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I wonder if you're mythologizing me like I do youuppity_heathen on August 17th, 2010 05:51 pm (UTC)
I think I am intoxicated after a glass or two of wine...
Lord Nikki-mort, Queen of the LJ Minionssyanorra on August 17th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
Personally, I choose not to, I'd rather be safe than sorry in a situation like this. As the first commenter said, it can affect different people different ways, and it's not a risk I'm willing to take.

I'd like to think I wouldn't look down on a very pregnant woman sipping from a glass of wine, but I know I would hope it was the *only* glass of wine and was being sipped over the course of an entire meal at the very least.
Erin: art by : Belle and Boo__45rpm__ on August 17th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
NGL, it makes me uncomfortable seeing an obviously pregnant woman drinking alcohol.
JadeEJFjadeejf on August 17th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
The why? Because it gives us yet another reason to look down on someone for their parenting style ;)

I probably would be embarrassed, and wouldn't do it myself, but I still realize that it's the pregnant woman's decision in the end and try not to be weird about it.
Wicked Witch of the Northwestpreachan_sidhe on August 17th, 2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
I'm fine seeing a woman drink in moderation while pregnant. I drank very lightly myself while in the third tri with two of my kids.
lalalao0psydaisy on August 17th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
JUDGING YOUUUUUUU
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Uncle Reuben Klopekthiscantbesoy on August 17th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
There is *no known* safe amount of alcohol to consume during pregnancy. I don't care if "oh, it's probably not going to hurt my baby, after all, my friend did it and her baby's healthy." Doctors cannot say that even a small amount is proven safe. Thus, I don't drink it at all.

Further, even if it could be proven that a glass or two a day does not truly harm your baby (and of course, that can't be proven), it still basically intoxicates your baby, and since I don't know anyone would would feed their newborn wine, I don't know why people do it while their babies are in their bellies.

I also don't know why some people consider wine so innocuous, when I doubt they would look favorably on a woman slamming two shots of scotch.
medea34 on August 18th, 2010 02:06 am (UTC)
I found out I was pregnant after what i have dubbed 'the scotch weekend' - we went to a resort with another couple, played board games, drank scotch (two glens and a lagavulin). in addition to the boozing, we spent a goodly bit of time in the hot tub and went for hot wraps at the spa.

my little guy is fine.
"B"thatfleetingirl on August 18th, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
Speaking of personal experiences...my mom had 21 white russians on her 21st birthday and was more smashed than ever before or after. Spent days sick afterwords and the week after that, found out she was 2 months pregnant [with me]. It's debatable, but I'm just fine. :P
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Uncle Reuben Klopekthiscantbesoy on August 18th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
Well then that proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Getting wasted on scotch and going hottubbing is completely safe.

Or, you could read what I said.

A LOT of people drink before they find out they're pregnant and their babies are fine. Doesn't mean it's safe to continue to do so or that drinking while pregnant will make every baby come out "fine."

A lot of people do hard drugs while pregnant, too, and I think we can agree that that's not safe, even if it doesn't have horrible effects on every last baby.
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Agent Zerouberliz on August 17th, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
Personally, yes. I would look down on any woman who drinks ANY alcohol while knowingly pregnant.

It's proven that alcohol causes fetal damage, but not how much it takes to cause that damage. So for me, any is a poor choice on the mothers behalf.
Wendymail_demon on August 17th, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
I would assume American doctors look down on the practice because they live in a country full of litigious people. To keep their insurance premiums down, they need to do whatever they can to cover their arses.

The French legal system is, in practice, very different to the US one. Thus, rather than being hyper-vigilant and telling pregnant women 'no drinking', French doctors have the freedom to take a more pragmatic view of the research.

I don't look down on pregnant women who drink. Most babies are born to women who drink alcohol excessively, not a glass of wine on four or five nights a week.
hendrikboom on January 11th, 2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
Most babies are born to women who drink alcohol excessively

Surely you don't mean that only women who get stinking drunk get pregnant!

Presumably you mean "Most fetal-alcohol-syndrome babies ..."
medea34 on August 18th, 2010 02:16 am (UTC)
I had a glass of wine here and there (maybe 10 times over 8 months - I don't count the month I didn't know - I drank alot, and consumed some other less than wholesome substances) after I knew i was pregnant. i also ate soft (blue) cheeses, had x-rays (after a car accident) and ate fish without consulting the chart. not to mention the caffeine (I cut down to 1 grande latte a day).

my little guy seems fine.
Nicolesblmnldrknss on August 18th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
I didn't consume any alcohol until about 20 weeks. After that, I had about a beer or a glass of wine a week.

I think it's fine at that point, but earlier on, I don't think it's worth the risk.
blenderx: twinsblenderx on August 18th, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
I see no problem with a glass of wine a few times a week while pregnant.

Caffeine is proven harmful in pregnancy, but most ppl are okay with a cup of coffee or a coke now and then, even daily.

There are benefits to wine- vitamins and antioxidents, as well as its relaxation benefits (stress is quite harmful in pregnancy too!).
Jessicalower_class on October 1st, 2010 06:36 pm (UTC)
I agree with the poster who said "you're not going to give your baby wine after it's born, so why do it when it's in your belly.

I know a girl who drank a lot during her pregnancy. She was like "i'm fine" but couldn't quit understand that a beer doesn't have the same effect on a 3 pound fetus as it did a 125 pound grown up. While she felt fine, imagine how drunk a 3 pound fetus was???

I don't understand why people drink or smoke while they are pregnant. I do judge them and I do think it's supid when people say "I drank every day and I smoked all the time and my kid is fine". Well congrats to you. I think it's stupid to drink and smoke while your kid that you love and want sosososo much is forming it's organs and all that shit.
"B"thatfleetingirl on October 1st, 2010 06:41 pm (UTC)
I had a doctor team of 5 and they were amazing doctors. Busy practice but they always seemed to have time to treat me wel and give me time. In talking about a lot of things regarding cigarettes, one of the doctors explained to me the medical truth about how a cigarette affects a fetus. The information shocked me but she pulled out the medical book (it was HUGE) and showed me the encyclopedia bit on it.

The truth is that if you smoke 5 cigarettes a day while pregnant, it really does not reach the fetus, nor does it get any significant amount of anything into your bloodstream nor does it deprive your body of oxygen.

I am not advocating smoking while pregnant but I think that it's important to know the facts.
Agent Zero: darwin_saduberliz on October 1st, 2010 08:45 pm (UTC)
This is utter nonsense.

Anything you ingest reaches your baby.
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